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- Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 19:14:46 (PDT)

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- Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 06:45:31 (PDT)

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Hello George! I am currently doing research for a movie that I'm writing on a basketball referee and I was wondering if I could come for a day of your camp to ask a few questions and observe. It would be a great help for me to have some insight on the dynamics and doctrine that go into learning the craft of officiating. Hope to hear from you soon as camp in coming up quick. Thank You Adrian
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I think this is great, it gives us official a more local "officiating.com" to work with. I would hope officials in the surrounding area would contribute valuable stories from local h.s. and college bball games as learning tools. Thanks, Mark Colopy
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I have sent my registration form and am looking forward to my 1st camp!!
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- Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 18:07:27 (PST)

Hi GT, Look forward to being a student in your camp this year. I would recommend your camp to any Official who is serious about getting better at the craft of officiating. I have had the previllege of hearing you speak on several occaissions. I have found you to be a wealth of information and I want to absorb as much as I can from you. I am thankful that you are willing to share what you know.
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- Monday, March 10, 2003 at 10:16:14 (PST)

Hello Grorge I am planning on attending your camp.John Spears has recommended me to attend. I officiated about 15 years ago and just recently started back in the V.O.B.A.. I did some freshman and a couple of J.V. games this past year. See you at the camp. Gary Sanderson
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Hi George, As you know I have finally come on board, and I thank you for your support and encouragment during the years that I was hesitant in getting started. THANX!!
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- Tuesday, March 04, 2003 at 05:43:21 (PST)

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George, Great to see you this past weekend in Philly! I have added your camp dates to my calendar (2003) and look forward to attending and talking with you throughout this season. Thanks, Karen
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- Monday, October 28, 2002 at 06:11:38 (PST)

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Steve Geddes
- Thursday, October 24, 2002 at 13:49:01 (PDT)

When does registration start for the next class??? Thanks
Bernard Rouse
- Monday, October 21, 2002 at 19:31:57 (PDT)

NFHS. What situations are there where a player who's team has the ball can come from out of bound "cannot" be the first player to touch the live ball. Thanks
Bernard Rouse
- Monday, October 21, 2002 at 19:24:32 (PDT)

George: I'm contemplating a second career that will encompass something about which I'm passionate. Having grown up in ACC land, I love college basketball and have often thought the challenge of college basketball officating would be thrilling. I played basketball in high school. I have no idea how to even begin looking into this, but would like your thoughts on the following: Assuming I have the natural ability and work at it very hard, what is the typical career path a basketball official takes? How do I get the training and experience necessary to test and hone my skills? Where do I begin? Is it a totally unrealistic goal of becoming a Division I college basketball official? Thanks for your time and response. Charles
Chris Browder
- Monday, October 21, 2002 at 18:44:50 (PDT)

In response to the coach whose player was called for the technical, (The one where his player had her back to the play and her arms up), what the official was calling was a rule that a defensive player is not allowed to put his or her hands in the offensive players face in order to stop them from seeing an incoming pass.
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- Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 22:08:59 (PDT)

I am a 4th year High School official and I already know that this is what I want to do for a living. I know this is a rather broad question, but could you tell me what steps i have to take in order to achieve my goal of being an NBA official? Any response would be greatly appreciated. :) Thank you very much. Kohler McNelly
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- Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 22:02:31 (PDT)

The situation: CYO girls basketball, on an inbounds play under the opponents basket, player 1 is inbounding the ball. Is it legal for player 2 to run out of bounds over the baseline, and then have player 1 pass the ball to (the now out of bounds) player 2, who then inbounds the ball? Thanks for your answer!
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- Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 00:06:42 (PDT)

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- Sunday, September 22, 2002 at 12:34:28 (PDT)

How does a 15 year old boy in Dalton, Illinois (a suburb of Chicago) start to referee basketball games. Who does he call to get started? He is a good basketball player but wants to earn money refing. Thank you for a response, Mara Lewandowski on behalf of Dennis Clair.
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- Tuesday, September 17, 2002 at 19:33:30 (PDT)

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- Monday, September 09, 2002 at 19:21:11 (PDT)

1. When is the next officiating class? 2. Do you know of an officiating class/school that will begin in September, '02? or in the near future?
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- Friday, September 06, 2002 at 06:25:51 (PDT)

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- Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 13:30:22 (PDT)

Hey, My question is: In grade 6 I played forward for my basketball team. But in grade 7 I played guard for my basketball team, but I was on the The Girls "B" team then. Now this year i want to play guard again. My height is 5 foot 2 , what position do you think I should play? And Im pretty good at ball handling sO what position do you think? Thanks, Melanie
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- Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 13:28:34 (PDT)

George, We talked over the phone a few months back about your camp. Your camp was already full for this summer so I was out of luck. You mentioned a possible second session. Is that still a possibility? If not, I do not want to miss your camp again next year. Could you please let me know when you will open registration up for next years camp so that I may attend? Thank you very much in advance. ~Kevin Farlow
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What is an airball?
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- Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 04:10:43 (PDT)

George Where can I find out the dimensions for the production of a basketball backboard and dimensions for it's siting? I have WBNA dimensions are they the same as Men's? Appreciate an answer, even though I'm an 'alien'. Thanks in anticipation. Ted
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- Friday, July 19, 2002 at 23:28:54 (PDT)

I would like to come to come to your camp next year do you have any dates for 2003 plans. Also I would like to bring my wife along so can I stay in another hotel. If not I will pay for two camp spots...Please reply Willis
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- Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 18:27:18 (PDT)

A "few" years ago as a player and team captain at King George High School, you were truly a class act - in skills and in character - both on and off the court. It is humbling to see the bounty of your giftedness is still overflowing, George. Thank you for your continued efforts to encourage, inspire, and bring out the best in others!
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- Sunday, July 07, 2002 at 20:37:25 (PDT)

Just passing by, nice site... I'll be back. Best wishes, Gentry
Gentry
- Tuesday, July 02, 2002 at 02:09:51 (PDT)

Can you catch your own airball? Does it have to be an official attempted shot as determined by the referee? Does it have to go above the rim? Or can you not do this at all?
David Warso
- Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 09:16:12 (PDT)

Is there a such thing as a "power dribble", often used by centers (Shaq), involving one dribble (down low) with both hands, and then going directly to the basket? I've seen it used repeatedly by Shaq, and I thought this particular move would be considered a "double dribble", or is it?
Joe Sciara
- Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 07:01:19 (PDT)

What is the organisational structure of basketball officials?? What is an officials education? What are their lagal and ethical roles?? What are some officiating styles?? What are basketball officiating philosophies?? And what are their best practice principles? I hope you can help me! Thank-you so much for your time and effort!
Kate
- Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 03:25:10 (PDT)

George, After closing ceremonies on Sunday June 23,2002 at your camp I realized that you are someone that is "good for the game." Officials rarely receive the credit that they sometimes deserve, and Being in that room and watching some of the recipients who were blessed to receive awards get in touch with there feelings, was overwhelming.I just wanted you to know that the watch that I received for being a fourth year official at your school, is the best peice of jewelry that I own today. Love and Respect, "City"
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- Tuesday, June 25, 2002 at 17:35:31 (PDT)

I know that after coming to your camp the past two years that I have improved faster then I could have ever dreamed. Your camp is set up for new officials and the veterans. This is a camp that will help your over all game. Your staff is great and are second to none. Lord will I will see you next year. Thank you and all your staff members for the outstanding training.
Daniel Wilson
- Monday, June 24, 2002 at 21:10:21 (PDT)

George, Thank you for all your insight and education in Officiating Basketball. Your camp is the best camp for me. Your method of teaching and training has shown me a bigger and better game. The staff is always top notch--the best. I regret I cannot come back for a 5th year. May God bless you and your family, staff and campers.
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- Monday, June 24, 2002 at 07:43:43 (PDT)

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- Saturday, June 22, 2002 at 12:00:04 (PDT)

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- Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 11:20:26 (PDT)

I would like to sign up for 2003 clinic, thanks
Christopher Sobczak
- Sunday, June 16, 2002 at 22:46:43 (PDT)

I went to your camp in 2001 and would like to have the camp info. for 2003, thanks for helping me step up my refereeing career, a step closer to the NBA
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- Sunday, June 16, 2002 at 22:43:49 (PDT)

GT, I look foward to attending your Basketball Officiating School. I have two other officials from the New York City area who have expressed interest in attending your camp, and have told me they are also excited about attending your school in June. I have a website where I share information with officials about camps and clinics throughout the country. The two officials who will be attending your school this summer are members of the group and told me that they first heard about your group through the website. So, the website is helping to spread the message about your school. If you would like to visit Basketball Officials United we are located at: http://groups.aol.com/bsktblloffcl
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- Sunday, June 09, 2002 at 12:13:15 (PDT)

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- Sunday, June 09, 2002 at 10:15:18 (PDT)

HI there Mr. Toliver. I would love to come to your camp next summer. this summer i will be at Mr. Vaden's camp during this time. Please could you put me on your mailing list for next summer, I would gladly apreciate it. Thanks Keith Kimble from Waco, tx.
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- Thursday, May 30, 2002 at 23:17:02 (PDT)

This is my 4th season of officiating and I want to know what do I need to do to catch the eye of a college scout or NBA scout? I am dedicated and very serious about becoming an NBA Official.
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- Wednesday, May 29, 2002 at 10:05:25 (PDT)

Can a player pick up his/her pivot foot and dribble at the same time? If so, does the ball have to hit the floor before their foot? Thank you.
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- Friday, May 24, 2002 at 11:06:49 (PDT)

I'am interested in the camp? Are there other schedule camps other than June 20, 2002. And are there other locations that the camps are held in the U.S.A.?
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- Tuesday, April 30, 2002 at 15:51:07 (PDT)

George, Can you please answer this question for me. I appreciate you taking time. If Person_A is shooting a ball (jump shot/set shot etc.): Is it a foul if the defender touches person_A's hand AFTER the ball is released? If so, what part of the hand? So let's say, the defender jumps to block person_A's shot, person_A releases the ball and the defender touches person_A's fingers after his shot. Is this a foul? Also, if the defender falls on person_A after the ball has been released is that a foul? How do you call fouls in situations like this. Once again thanks for your answers.
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- Tuesday, April 30, 2002 at 14:54:50 (PDT)

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- Friday, April 19, 2002 at 05:41:17 (PDT)

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- Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 13:43:48 (PDT)

I would love to attend your camp if I get the money. Are there also any camps that are conducted for the expressed purpose of training future NBA officials (similar to the pro baseball camps in Florida)? Also, an NBA rules question: Was the defensive 3-second rule instituted as a "companion" to the zone defense?
Eric Huechteman
- Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 17:03:52 (PDT)

This isn't really a question, but a further explanation to the question about obstruction. The NFHS rules DO have a rule against obstructing an opponent's view. It is called against a defender who is NOT guarding the ballhandler if the intent is ONLY to obstruct the offensive player's view. The rule book reference is: Rule 10, Section 3, Article 8d. "A player shall not commit an unsporting foul," including "obstructing the vision of an opponent not in control of the ball by waving hands near his/her eyes." The case book explains: "It is unsporting for a guard to take a position behind a post player, or to take a position facing an opponent, or to take a position with his/her back to the ball and facing the opponent and then in either case, wave or hold the hands in front of the opponent's eyes so that the opponent cannot see to receive a pass.... Holding or waving hands near the eye for the ostensible PURPOSE of obstructing an opponent's vision is unsporting" (emphasis mine).
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- Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 16:56:44 (PDT)

George, I have already registered for camp. A friend is getting married Friday, June 21. He has asked me to be apart of the wedding. I do not want to take up a valuable space in camp and have to leave Friday morning and not arrive back at camp until midday Saturday. Thus causing someone else to have to cover for me or not allow someone else the opportunity to be able to participate fully. I would like to request a refund for this summer and be put on the list to participate in next summer's camp. Sincerely, WILLIAM D. DAVIS
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- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 09:41:15 (PST)

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Nancy Martin
- Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 14:51:01 (PST)

George, I attended the Mid-South camp at UNC in 2001. During the heat of the battle we sometimes forget to thank the people bring value to our day to day needs and lives. Therefore, I just wanted to tell you I appreciate your views and opinions during the UNC camp. Again, Thank You Chris Minor (Ohio)
Chris Minor
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 10:18:35 (PST)